new to me Kraig 1894 saddle ring carbine

[Whig]

I think it is an original carbine stock. The nose looks long which would mean the saddle ring and sling bar was added but it's hard to tell. My first impression was that it was an original saddle ring carbine stock with a cut down Model 1894 rifle dropped into it. It certainly has been played with a lot so we need more close up pictures to be sure.

It's always fun being "detectives" with these Krags. And we always are learning from each other in trying to figure it all out.

Thanks for sharing!

[butlersrangers]

The 'carbine ring & bar' was no longer in use when the 'long forearm' carbine was adopted.

The carbine was being carried in a scabbard and the ring no longer had a purpose.

When a 'ring & bar' is found on an 1899 'long forearm' carbine stock, someone outside of Springfield has 'done the job' and made a fake.

BTW - I beg to differ, but, there is an "i" in Krag.

[GHS]

When the Krag arrives I will add more photos especially if there is a barrel band spring GHS

[Dick Hosmer]

Seems to me - without looking of course - that the 1894/1895 split is (unlike all of the others) said to have been subject to overlap. This might be a good specimen to check against the published listings.

[Whig]

With a higher serial number like this one, that will interesting to determine.

[Dick Hosmer]

According to Mallory, the highest "1894" is 26116, but that is SUCH an outlier, that one has to at least suspect that there might have been a transposition somewhere. FWIW, I personally believe there was no overlap.

His lowest "1895" was 23820, so an "1894" at 23195 would seem to fit the pattern, AND be at least a potential candidate for highest "1894". Too bad it has been fooled with, but that has NOTHING to do with advancing the knowledge base.

Frank was a man of GREAT attention to detail, but also one who was reluctant to make arbitrary changes - witness his insistence on not revising the clearly erroneous 8xxxxx listing, carried in SRS until the end.

[Whig]

To Frank's defense, to a certain extent, there is a trickle of new evidence and information, such as OP's Krag SN 23195 clearly marked "1894", that adds to the database for all of what Frank researched and wrote about.

Joe Farmer is one who has added a lot to our knowledge of Krags.

That's the great thing about this forum- we keep learning new things about our Krags.

[Dick Hosmer]

Don't worry, Frank needs NO defending from me - I counted him as a personal friend, and was VERY sorry when he passed. Actually met him at one of Graham Burnside's annual hog roasts in IL, and later visited him at his home in MD.

Joe Farmer has done a terrific job as well. It's no secret that I am not a fan of his writing STYLE, but his intellect, and his dogged thoroughness, are on a plane that VERY few will ever reach. I made my comments without looking at his book - which I have temporarily mislaid - so perhaps he has found something more on the 94/95 thing?

Apparently, my 37045 is still the marker for highest "1896" without "Model".

[cquickel]

You mind if I add your rifle to the KCA serial number database?