bought a new Krag today

[Bill Rogers]

I've been trying to find a reasonable Krag rifle for many years to go with my collection of carbines. I've been kicking myself for 15 years since an auction at Hesse's where I lost out on one of the best I'd ever seen. I went today to another Hesse auction and there was a Krag rifle with a bayonet. Everything was in good shape but i do have some questions. The serial number tells me 1899 the stock is cartouched for 1900 the bayonet is 1902 but that doesn't matter as i have an 1899. The stock looks good and looks like it matches. The hardware looks good enough to pass for original. My question is if the serial number specifically states 1899 what are the chances it was re stocked or maybe late 1899 got a 1900 stock? #153798 I was surprised at the low turnout. If any of you were there let me know. I would have said hello!

[butlersrangers]

'Bill Rodgers': What source "specifically states" that your model 1898 Krag rifle, serial number 153798, was built in 1899?

Krag receivers were numbered prior to being assembled into complete arms. Krags were not built, accepted, or issued in numerical order. Some estimates would place your rifle's assembly around November, 1898.

Some Krags close to your rifle's serial number were issued to 34th and 35th U.S. Vol. Inf. in August, 1899. (They would have been built and received acceptance 'cartouche' before being issued).

IMHO - It is unlikely a stock with a 1900 'cartouche' was the original stock on your Krag. More likely, it was switched during refurbishment work.

That doesn't make your Krag 'wrong', just likely 'rebuilt' (many were).

It would be fun to see some pictures!

[Bill Rogers]

The auction came upon me quite quickly and I couldn't remember dates and serial numbers off the top of my head so I did a quick search on line and found a brief timeline which looked like it might have come from Brophy's book. I just went with it. The gun is in pretty good shape considering some I've seen at shows and auctions. I'm ok if it was "refurbished". The stock pieces match well and all the other hardware looks good. The bayonet is dated 1902 but I have an 1899 bayonet. All in all I'm happy that I caught it when reviewing the auction items and made the purchase.

[Bill Rogers]

this was the first thing that popped up when i searched it so i went with it.

www.bowersweapons.com/SA%20US%20KRAG%20serial%20numbers....

[butlersrangers]

'Bill': Others, more knowledgeable than I, have said 'Bowers' is very incorrect on Krags.

It is very tentative giving a U.S. Krag an exact manufacture date, because of the way they were assembled at Springfield Armory. A numbered Receiver could have 'laid around' for a bit before it was grabbed and assembled into a rifle.

It is believable that your Krag was assembled in late 1898 or early 1899. An 1898 or 1899 acceptance 'cartouche' would more likely be expected.

It would be interesting to know which model rear-sight is now on Krag #153798? Armory updating of most Krag rear-sights required disassembly and removal of stock to change to required hand-guard. Your Krag started its service with the model 1896 sight.

I am not depreciating your Krag. It sounds like you found a nice one! A lot of this "development and updating" is part of what makes them interesting.

[Bill Rogers]

Thanks for the info on Bowers. Like I said I really needed a quick reference. If I had more time I would have been into conversations on this site with a group I feel is very dedicated and knowledgeable. I've actually been a member for a very long time but I'm not always as active as I would like to be. Still working keeps me very busy and a young one also. Hoping to give him all of my Krags someday. While not a computer genius I'll try to get some photos onsite.

[Parashooter]

. . . Armory updating of most Krag rear-sights required disassembly and removal of stock to change to required hand-guard. . .

I doubt Armory workers bothered removing stocks to pull off handguards and change sights. If a handguard cracked (possibly less likely when new), there were a bunch more in the parts bins.

A quick examination of the handguard clip contours shows they were probably designed to be pulled up and pushed down with alacrity.

[butlersrangers]

I find myself in a minor (and rare) disagreement with 'Parashooter', whose knowledge I much respect.

I am certainly not about to risk cracking a hand-guard to prove the point.

IMHO - My eyes tell me, the clearance 'inletting', of the Krag stock barrel-channel, is insufficient to allow the hand-guard springs the range of motion, that would be necessary to 'snap off and snap on' the hand-guard (with the stock on the rifle).

(I certainly may be proven wrong and will not resent it).

[butlersrangers]

When my 'new' Krag arrives, it may offer an opportunity to test otherwise.

[Parashooter]

I can assure you the clips and matching mortises in the forestock allow handguards to come off and go on quite easily. I've done it dozens of times myself. Yes, sometimes they crack - more now than when they were only 50-60 years old. That's why we have hide glue and some folks who know how to use it to make "invisible" repairs. ::)