History of my inherited Model 1898

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Aitrus
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History of my inherited Model 1898

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Good evening, everybody.

Last year, when my father passed away, I inherited his 1898 Springfield. He had purchased it from a friend back in the 1980s. That friend of my father's eventually became my own father-in-law in 1998. He and I still go motorcycle riding to this day.

My father-in-law doesn't recall when he acquired the rifle, but he recalls sporterizing it in the late 1970s. He remembers buying it during a gun show in the early 1970s in Alaska, but doesn't know how it got up there.

Both my father and father-in-law used the rifle for hunting moose in Alaska, to great effect, and my father took it with him to Texas when he retired (he used it to kill a few razorbacks in the 15 years he was there). The armorer I took it to has given it a thorough look, and declares it safe and fully functional, with headspace around +0.014" - 0.018". He had to replace the bypass lever spring, but other than that, all the rifle needed was a good cleaning.

The only other information I've been able to glean about the rifle is that it's serial # 247385, which I believe means that it was a carbine manufactured in 1899. Any other help in this area would be much appreciated.

On a similar note, I also inherited my father's Savage 242, Series 6 .410 Over/Under shotgun. I have great memories of this gun, as it and my Chipmunk .22 were constant companions as I roamed the woods of central Alaska in my youth. Top barrel usually had #4 or #6 shot, and the bottom always had a slug. Lots of squirrel, snowshoe hare, ptarmigan, lynx, and snow fox were taken by me with these two arms.
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Knute1
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Sounds like you had some high time way up north.

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butlersrangers
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'Aitrus' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. It is neat that you have a 'sportered' Krag that is connected to your father and father-in-law.
(Kind of incestuous)!

It is likely that your Krag, #247385, was assembled around January, 1900, as an infantry rifle, with a 30 inch barrel.
(By this time period, Model 1899 carbines were being manufactured, and were stamped "Model 1899").

Your stock is a "cut-down" rifle stock with an added-on pistol grip.

Your rear open-sight was made by William's Gun-sight Company, (Davison, Michigan). There are a couple of tapped holes on your receiver, in front of the bolt-handle, likely once holding an aftermarket Lyman or Redfield 'peep'-sight.

Your 'banded' front-sight looks like a Redfield or Lyman product.

Your Krag was obviously "cut-down" to make it handy for Hunting.

It is still great for that purpose and a Family Heirloom to boot!

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Knute,

Yes, it was certainly quite an experience growing up in the '80s and '90s in the backwoods of Alaska. Lots of good memories.

butlersrangers,

Thank you for the additional information. Am I correct in understanding that the rifle was stamped "Model 1898" but was actually an 1999 model carbine?

Hopefully this rifle will see service again on occasion as a hunter, and definitely will be handed down as an heirloom when the time comes.

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'Aitrus' - "No", to your question.

Your "model 1898" Krag is a 'cut-down' rifle.

In 1899 and 1900, Krags manufactured as carbines would be marked "model 1899".

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Ah, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification. My knowledge of Krags is pretty sparse, so I'm learning as I go.

I don't reload, and don't shoot often enough to make it worth the investment. I've read about the locking lug cracking problems from overpowered cartridges. The only 30-40 Krag that I can find locally is a few boxes at my local Sportsman's Warehouse. These are Remington Core-Lokt 180gr rounds, loaded to 2,430fps at the muzzle. Would these rounds be good a good choice for this rifle in this condition? I would assume that Remington would know that most of these rounds would be used in older rifles, and would hopefully load them appropriately.

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The locking lug is rarely any problem with Krags shot today. Pretty much all factory ammunition made for the 30-40 Krag is fine to use in these old Krags if your Krag is mechanically sound.

If you have a sporterized Krag, it may be important to have it checked to make sure it has not been re-chambered for another cartridge. Occasionally a shot out chamber is re cut for a larger cartridge like 35-40 caliber. This is quite unusual but it should be checked by someone appropriate to make sure the receiver and chamber are sound. Check the barrel to make sure it looks clear of any obstructions and there are no bulges anywhere. Make sure the bolt looks Ok also. Then get some Remington or Winchester factory ammo and blast away!

I may be over stating the obvious about making sure your Krag is fine to shoot but we never know what has been done to some Bubba-ed Krags out there. We want you to be safe.

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Remington, Winchester and Hornady sell 30-40 ammo within pressure ratings of the Krag. But you need to know the condition of your individual rifle, which can only be assured by a competent gunsmith. Hornady is the most recent ammo supplier and seems to be more available. It is easier to find ammo/brass than just a few years ago. If you do find yourself shooting the Krag more often you may want to take up reloading. I can only suggest Lee reloading equipment since I have found it economical, provides fair quality cartridges, and has a good website with videos on how to reload. Brass is easy to order. You may find a gun shop with gun powder. I don't believe you can go wrong with IMR4350 powder. Get a good reloading manual. Otherwise, if you can find an adequate supply of ammo for your shooting needs, more power to you. Its just that a lot of us can't shoot a box per year and feel satisfied. ;)

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Ask your father-in-law. This Krag was used by him as well as your father. I am sure he would know its history in regard to 'chambering', ammo that was used in it, and how it performed.

Most of us do not have much to go on, except visual inspection, when we latch on to an 'experienced' military surplus arm.

Your Krag has a family track record!

IMHO - It is hard to find a competent "Gunsmith", nowadays, especially one that knows anything about Krags.

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