Hello I'm new here. I collect only pre-1898 antique rifles and I recently bought this rifle from IMA and I assumed they were trustworthy but I feel I got screwed. They say it's an 1892 model updated to 1896 but the butt plate is curved and appears the stock never had a ramrod cut out as the grain is uninterrupted as far as I can tell. Also there is no sign whatsoever of a cartouche on the stock. The receiver is marked with just the year 1894 so my guess is it is a model 1892 but with a different stock. Am I missing something? I'll leave a link to the rifle on their site and I can take more pics if needed. I plan on keeping it no matter what I'd just like to know what I have.
https://www.ima-usa.com/products/origin ... 8363580485
Question about a 1892 Krag
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butlersrangers
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
'indy650' - Welcome to the KCA Forum.
It is your call, but, if I were in your shoes, I would demand my $2,000 dollars back. The rifle is not as described.
The main flaw is the Stock. It is a model 1898 U.S. Krag stock, that has been poorly altered in the bolt-handle area to accept a model 1992 Krag, updated to model 1896.
This alteration was something never done by Springfield Armory, or U.S. Arsenals or Depots!
It was crudely done by a bubba/civilian. The totally incorrect model 1898 stock is why the model 1892 Krag has no model 1892 stock features.
Other serious flaws: The rear sling-swivel is not a Krag part (???). The front 'stacking-swivel' is missing. The model 1892 hand-guard is extremely worn and cracked.
By the way, the rear barrel-band is on backwards. The small "U" marking should be on the right-side of the rifle.
IMHO - IMA does not deserve a good reputation in regard to U.S. Krags. $2,000 is too much for a $500 to $600 "parts gun".
It is your call, but, if I were in your shoes, I would demand my $2,000 dollars back. The rifle is not as described.
The main flaw is the Stock. It is a model 1898 U.S. Krag stock, that has been poorly altered in the bolt-handle area to accept a model 1992 Krag, updated to model 1896.
This alteration was something never done by Springfield Armory, or U.S. Arsenals or Depots!
It was crudely done by a bubba/civilian. The totally incorrect model 1898 stock is why the model 1892 Krag has no model 1892 stock features.
Other serious flaws: The rear sling-swivel is not a Krag part (???). The front 'stacking-swivel' is missing. The model 1892 hand-guard is extremely worn and cracked.
By the way, the rear barrel-band is on backwards. The small "U" marking should be on the right-side of the rifle.
IMHO - IMA does not deserve a good reputation in regard to U.S. Krags. $2,000 is too much for a $500 to $600 "parts gun".
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Parashooter
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
Appears to have a model 1898 stock - bolt clearance carved with a dull knife. 
(Oops, b-r beat me to it)
(Oops, b-r beat me to it)
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butlersrangers
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
On a model 1892 Krag that was updated to 1896 features, the bolt-handle recess and filled rod-channel should appear, as in these borrowed photos.
Not visible are the hardwood 'pins', that retain the filler wood strip, in the rod-channel:
(I don't own an early Krag; IMHO - on this pretty example, it looks like the metal is refinished).
Not visible are the hardwood 'pins', that retain the filler wood strip, in the rod-channel:
(I don't own an early Krag; IMHO - on this pretty example, it looks like the metal is refinished).
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
Thanks guys you all confirmed my fears... Makes me sick. I guess I should have done my homework before buying it. I've always loved the Krag rifles but it's the first one I've ever owned I have mostly Swiss antiques like the Vetterli's and early Schmidt Rubin's. Thanks again!
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Now if i look close it even looks like there is a slight indent where the cartouche should be like it was sanded down and refinished. I emailed them asking for a genuine 1892 replacement because they pull restocking fee BS if you do straight returns. I doubt they will agree but gotta try at least...
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
I get frequent emails from IMA and their stuff always seems priced at 'top dollar' or above. I have never dealt with IMA.
Their presence on "Pawn Stars", as an ultimate firearms authority, is often laughable.
When I know anything about a subject they are commenting on, ..... well .... as my Mother would say, "They are full of hops".
Today, I received an IMA listing for a $3,000 model 1892 Krag. They claim it has an unaltered stock and rod. There may be some good parts, but, the receiver is 'notched' and the bolt mechanism is all model 1896 or 1898.
(I am not that knowledgeable regarding model 1892 Krags. It seems there are all kinds of red flags on this one and not some of the pictures, one needs to see).
I don't trust IMA!
Their presence on "Pawn Stars", as an ultimate firearms authority, is often laughable.
When I know anything about a subject they are commenting on, ..... well .... as my Mother would say, "They are full of hops".
Today, I received an IMA listing for a $3,000 model 1892 Krag. They claim it has an unaltered stock and rod. There may be some good parts, but, the receiver is 'notched' and the bolt mechanism is all model 1896 or 1898.
(I am not that knowledgeable regarding model 1892 Krags. It seems there are all kinds of red flags on this one and not some of the pictures, one needs to see).
I don't trust IMA!
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Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
Get your money back from IMA.
Chalk up your restocking fee loss to learning.
What you spent should have bought you a very nice and collectable Krag on Gunbroker.
Don’t buy anything before you know what you’re doing.
Chalk up your restocking fee loss to learning.
What you spent should have bought you a very nice and collectable Krag on Gunbroker.
Don’t buy anything before you know what you’re doing.
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Yeah I forgot that moron on Pawn Stars is from IMA. That explains a lot.
Re: Question about a 1892 Krag
your right I didnt know enough it's just every Krag listed on there sells out almost immediately and I bought a nice Swiss Vetterli from them that exceeded my expectations. I know my stuff with Swiss rifles but haven't researched Krags enough. I just bought a couple books on the Krag. Oh well I guess I'll get the refund and scour GB.