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Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:44 am
by butlersrangers
Steel

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:00 pm
by Warpspasm
butlersrangers wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:44 amSteel
That would be tough to expand without cracking the wood. I may go with copper or brass.

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:41 pm
by butlersrangers
If you make rivets from steel nails, like Parashooter did, you could 'center drill' the small end. A hollow rivet disrupts easier.
If you use copper or brass rivets, you could paint the visible 'tops' gunmetal gray.

It would be interesting to know how Parashooter 'set' his rivets? He did a beautiful job in making a handguard!

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 2:44 pm
by butlersrangers
accidental repeat entry

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:09 pm
by Parashooter
Warpspasm wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 amHow did you expand the base of the nail to make it tight?
Just out of curiosity, what material did they use for the original rivets? Copper? Brass? Steel?
Original rivets look like (mild) steel to me.

To expand the small end of the mild steel cut-down nail inside the handguard I fixed a flat-ended punch with nearly the same diameter as the (outside) nail head upright in a bench vise and used this as an anvil, holding the handguard (with nail and clip in place) so the punch-anvil supported the nail head and then peened the small/inside end of the nail with another punch. If you enlist a third hand to hold handguard or operate hammer and punch, it's likely easier - but I managed with just two hands by going slow and ensuring the punch-anvil was in the right position before each tap of the hammer on the inside punch. (Drilling the hole in the clip for a close fit to the nail/rivet shank ensures it won't take much peening to hold well.) Here's a rough sketch -
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Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:48 pm
by butlersrangers
With thanks and apologies to Parashooter, this might work for clumsy guys, like me!

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:21 pm
by Warpspasm
Parashooter wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:09 pm
Warpspasm wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:11 amHow did you expand the base of the nail to make it tight?
Just out of curiosity, what material did they use for the original rivets? Copper? Brass? Steel?
Original rivets look like (mild) steel to me.

To expand the small end of the mild steel cut-down nail inside the handguard I fixed a flat-ended punch with nearly the same diameter as the (outside) nail head upright in a bench vise and used this as an anvil, holding the handguard (with nail and clip in place) so the punch-anvil supported the nail head and then peened the small/inside end of the nail with another punch. If you enlist a third hand to hold handguard or operate hammer and punch, it's likely easier - but I managed with just two hands by going slow and ensuring the punch-anvil was in the right position before each tap of the hammer on the inside punch. (Drilling the hole in the clip for a close fit to the nail/rivet shank ensures it won't take much peening to hold well.) Here's a rough sketch -
KragHandguardSketch.gif
Parashooter, thanks for the information and the diagram. I think you've helped me on just about every firearm forum where I'm a member! I think it started in the Swiss forums. LOL

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:22 pm
by Warpspasm
butlersrangers wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:48 pm With thanks and apologies to Parashooter, this might work for clumsy guys, like me!
Is that a roll pin punch you drew?

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:25 pm
by Warpspasm
I'm just glad the carbine handguard only has 2 rivets total. That's 50% less chance I'll crack it.

Re: Need a picture of a handguard spring clip. Attached or unattached to the handguard.

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:39 pm
by butlersrangers
I was trying for a blunt center punch or Nail-Chaser.