Krag rifle marked 1894
Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
I'd rather watch Mae.
- psteinmayer
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
For some reason, I like the 1892 handguard with more of the receiver exposed. I just think it looks better IMHO.
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
Nice photos! Your handguard is a model 1892.
BTW - The rod-stop was not intended to be removed from the gunstock.
Your bolt-sleeve is a model 1892 'converted' to model 1896 (January 1900).
The groove for the 1896 safety-lever was added and the cross-pin hole for the earlier safety-lever was filled. (red arrow)
Your 1896 safety-lever can be removed, (though not necessary). The detent & spring are staked into place.
(Poyer's part 'Types', though useful, are not official nomenclature and irritates some Krag aficionados).
William Brophy, in his book "The Krag Rifle" (page 212), gave the cleaning-rod thread as 26 t.p.i.
U.S. Armory threads evolved, (maybe with a French influence?), and were a different form than more modern threads.
BTW - The rod-stop was not intended to be removed from the gunstock.
Your bolt-sleeve is a model 1892 'converted' to model 1896 (January 1900).
The groove for the 1896 safety-lever was added and the cross-pin hole for the earlier safety-lever was filled. (red arrow)
Your 1896 safety-lever can be removed, (though not necessary). The detent & spring are staked into place.
(Poyer's part 'Types', though useful, are not official nomenclature and irritates some Krag aficionados).
William Brophy, in his book "The Krag Rifle" (page 212), gave the cleaning-rod thread as 26 t.p.i.
U.S. Armory threads evolved, (maybe with a French influence?), and were a different form than more modern threads.
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- rustychip1959
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Butlersrangers, thanks for the info, now I suppose I need to try and find the proper bolt sleeve and safety, these Springfield's seem to be a very deep rabbit hole. Most likely I think I will leave it like is.
I took a flashlight and from a angle I can see the pin they put in place to fill in the safety cross pin. The color of the two metals was just a bit different.
I tried to get some full length photos but doing it in the house with less than great lighting didn't work well, I need to rig up some extra light. Maybe bounce it off the ceiling so as not to get a lot of glare.
I just saw your pictures of the cleaning rod styles, thank you very much, now I have to figure out how to thread a piece 26 threads per inch with is not available on most lathes, however 1.0mm pitch is very close and may work.
I took a flashlight and from a angle I can see the pin they put in place to fill in the safety cross pin. The color of the two metals was just a bit different.
I tried to get some full length photos but doing it in the house with less than great lighting didn't work well, I need to rig up some extra light. Maybe bounce it off the ceiling so as not to get a lot of glare.
I just saw your pictures of the cleaning rod styles, thank you very much, now I have to figure out how to thread a piece 26 threads per inch with is not available on most lathes, however 1.0mm pitch is very close and may work.
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
I don't know which type of bolt your model 1892 Krag is now 'wearing'.
If your bolt, bolt-sleeve, safety-lever, and model '92 extractor are compatible and work correctly, I would leave things 'be' and take a break.
Maybe buy a 'used' copy of Brophy's book, "The Krag Rifle", and a reprint of "Rules for the Management of the U.S. Rifle Model of 1892".
Get a reproduction cleaning-rod from S&S Firearms. (Note - I added some Brophy content about the cleaning-rod, to my previous post).
You should soon know more about the Model 1892 Krag, than I do. I don't have one!
A 'bare-naked' model 1892 Krag Bolt can be very expensive. Some of the early striker mechanism parts can be purchased from Grandpa's Gun Parts.
A 'returned to what we think is an original Krag', is just that, 'A restored approximation'.
It is not necessarily the way it last served or left the Service. Gun Ethics is a Bitch!
The military armorers, who tinkered with these things as WW1 - 'Training Rifles', were not concerned with 21st Century Krag Enthusiasts!
attached: WW1 soldiers training with early long wrist Krag rifles. Plus, a bonus photo to make this post more interesting.
If your bolt, bolt-sleeve, safety-lever, and model '92 extractor are compatible and work correctly, I would leave things 'be' and take a break.
Maybe buy a 'used' copy of Brophy's book, "The Krag Rifle", and a reprint of "Rules for the Management of the U.S. Rifle Model of 1892".
Get a reproduction cleaning-rod from S&S Firearms. (Note - I added some Brophy content about the cleaning-rod, to my previous post).
You should soon know more about the Model 1892 Krag, than I do. I don't have one!
A 'bare-naked' model 1892 Krag Bolt can be very expensive. Some of the early striker mechanism parts can be purchased from Grandpa's Gun Parts.
A 'returned to what we think is an original Krag', is just that, 'A restored approximation'.
It is not necessarily the way it last served or left the Service. Gun Ethics is a Bitch!
The military armorers, who tinkered with these things as WW1 - 'Training Rifles', were not concerned with 21st Century Krag Enthusiasts!
attached: WW1 soldiers training with early long wrist Krag rifles. Plus, a bonus photo to make this post more interesting.
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- rustychip1959
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
I don't think I will change anything else, I'm satisfied with my Krag the way it is, however I have been looking for a bayonet, something dated closer to the year of my rifle, those seem hard to find in really nice condition. I found lots of 1899/1900 bayonets for sale, just thought it would be neat to find one dated 1895.
If I had a choice of Mae or the Lewis gun, I'd take the Lewis gun.
If I had a choice of Mae or the Lewis gun, I'd take the Lewis gun.
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Mae has access to interesting assets.
It would be pretty fun to know and have conversations with Mae.
She would be a great shooting buddy, niece, or granddaughter!
It would be pretty fun to know and have conversations with Mae.
She would be a great shooting buddy, niece, or granddaughter!
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
FWIW - A rather nice looking U.S. model 1892 Krag bolt listed for sale on the internet.
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- rustychip1959
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Re: Krag rifle marked 1894
O.K., I give up, trying to take decent pictures of this rifle is frustrating. Either to much light or not enough light plus my old Canon Powershot just wont cooperate.
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