Hello All;
Just got a sporterized Dutch 1916 Hembrug carbine in 6.5x53R cal.. Does anyone have any boxer primer brass or ammo (can be any primer) for sale. FN ammo shoots well in this rifle. So does Nazi ammo, also. I will reload but need some to start enjoyment!
Thanks;
smokem
Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
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madsenshooter
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Re: Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
Sometime ago I wrote a little bit about making this brass from .303 British on another forum. Let me see if I can remember. First a .308FL die with the expander ball removed, then a 7-08 die with the expander ball removed, watching the location of the shoulder you made, though that really don't matter since headspace is on the rim, it'll fireform out to your chamber if it winds up a little short to the shoulder, then into your 6x53R die. The .308 and 7-08 sizing die bodies can be bought as parts from Lee. I can't recall the trimming that's needed or if it would be best to do that before or after. I do know they need the neck and shoulder annealed after forming. Not before, you might run into a problem of collapsing shoulders. I ran into that when I was making 6.5 Japanese from .308. Use Imperial Sizing Die Wax and you should have no problems, even with a small press. I was just thinking back, I posted the instructions to making that on the 1990s internet. I was going to college then and had found a copy of Nonte's Home Guide to Cartridge Conversions in the library. That book was so old the .308 hadn't even come about yet. It didn't get checked out much over the years!
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butlersrangers
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Re: Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
A 6.5X54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer FL Resizing Die, used with a .303 or .30-40 shell holder, can be used for final sizing.
.303 British or .30-40 Krag brass will both work to make 6.5 Dutch ammo.
IIRC - I used .308 and 7mm Mauser FL Sizing Dies (with decapping pin removed) to gradually size down neck. The length of the 'reworked' neck, before final trimming, was truly remarkable. It took a lot of cranks, on my Lyman case trimmer, to get the case to correct OAL!
I used 6.5X54 M-S reloading data.
Caution - I initially tried simply putting Dutch powder charge and projectile from a military round into one of my reformed .303 British cases. TOO HOT!
The first round, I fired, expanded the primer pocket. When the case was ejected, the boxer primer fell out of the case.
I did use the Dutch projectiles with IMR powders and M-S loads, without problem and good accuracy.
It's a nice cartridge and was popular in Scotland after WW1 for Highland Deer hunting.
.303 British or .30-40 Krag brass will both work to make 6.5 Dutch ammo.
IIRC - I used .308 and 7mm Mauser FL Sizing Dies (with decapping pin removed) to gradually size down neck. The length of the 'reworked' neck, before final trimming, was truly remarkable. It took a lot of cranks, on my Lyman case trimmer, to get the case to correct OAL!
I used 6.5X54 M-S reloading data.
Caution - I initially tried simply putting Dutch powder charge and projectile from a military round into one of my reformed .303 British cases. TOO HOT!
The first round, I fired, expanded the primer pocket. When the case was ejected, the boxer primer fell out of the case.
I did use the Dutch projectiles with IMR powders and M-S loads, without problem and good accuracy.
It's a nice cartridge and was popular in Scotland after WW1 for Highland Deer hunting.
Re: Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
Buffalo has Bertram brass with proper headstamps here => https://www.buffaloarms.com/6-5x53r-dutch-bertram-formed-box-of-20-ber6-5x53r
And 'formed from .303 here => https://www.buffaloarms.com/6-5x53r-dutch-cases-formed-from-303-british-6-5x53rdutch
Unfortunately, both out of stock. I bought some of the Bertram brass and have formed from .303 as well to feed my 5 (really? sheesh) Dutch rifles. The forming is not too tedious but be sure to anneal the necks or they will split in one or two firings. FWIW, I annealed the Bertrams as well as they sometimes have a spotted reputation.
Holler back if you need any help. I would be happy to assist and I am sure others would as well.
And 'formed from .303 here => https://www.buffaloarms.com/6-5x53r-dutch-cases-formed-from-303-british-6-5x53rdutch
Unfortunately, both out of stock. I bought some of the Bertram brass and have formed from .303 as well to feed my 5 (really? sheesh) Dutch rifles. The forming is not too tedious but be sure to anneal the necks or they will split in one or two firings. FWIW, I annealed the Bertrams as well as they sometimes have a spotted reputation.
Holler back if you need any help. I would be happy to assist and I am sure others would as well.
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RedOak4392
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Re: Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
FWIW I went down the reform//rework road. 30/40 is too big , .303 is exactly the correct diameter. I eventually bopught Bertram brass at $2.00/ea , and purchased dies from C&H .The dies were excellent , the Bertram brass was OK , but I annealed to keep it going
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Re: Info on 6.5x53R brass or ammo for sale
A friend's wife gave me a brand new set of RCBS forming dies when her husband passed away. They are made to form .303 Brit into the Dutch or Rumanian Mannlicher & work as intended.
FWIW, the 6.5x53R was the preferred 800 to 1200 yard "match rifle" cartridge until it was ruled off the field by a requirement that the game could only be played with rifles chambered for the 7.62 NATO cartridge case. With a proper barrel, the 6.5 cartridge will still play with the big boys.
The Mannlicher action, often converted to single shot, was preferred because the trigger was much easier to adjust to the minimum spec than was the Mauser. Rules for the Match Rifle were the same as for Creedmoor; 10 lbs & 3 lb trigger pull.
FWIW, the 6.5x53R was the preferred 800 to 1200 yard "match rifle" cartridge until it was ruled off the field by a requirement that the game could only be played with rifles chambered for the 7.62 NATO cartridge case. With a proper barrel, the 6.5 cartridge will still play with the big boys.
The Mannlicher action, often converted to single shot, was preferred because the trigger was much easier to adjust to the minimum spec than was the Mauser. Rules for the Match Rifle were the same as for Creedmoor; 10 lbs & 3 lb trigger pull.