New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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Jarhizzy
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New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

Post by Jarhizzy »

Good morning! What I have here is a bit of a sad story that I did what I could to turn much happier. A few weeks ago a friend/neighbors father past away. He told me he was not very close to him but I would always see him from time to time with his dad. After a week went past I noticed my neighbor starting to change a lot. Dealing with a lot of frustration, he sold his truck and got a new one. I figured it was due to him loosing a close one so I reached out to talk. I found out he was extremly upset at his father, that he left him absolutely nothing and wanted to do everything he could to forget him. Another week went by and he reached out to me saying he was going to sell a few guns as he could not handle having them any longer. He sent me a picture of an octagon barrel, .22 lever action rifle and an old Krag. I didn't know much about them but I still asked how much he wanted, he responded 800 for both. Told him I would consider and would have to wait a few weeks to get the money. He was content with that, and the conversation ended, and days went by. As time flew, he reached out and said he said his relative who is a gunsmith inspect and value them and told me the .22 was now 1200 and the krag was 650. I told him I could do the krag atleast, but it would have to wait till father's day weekend. A few days prior the this weekend, he informed me i had to take what I could afford soon before he was going to just cut them in half and toss them. I found the money at only saved the krag, unknowing what happened to the .22 . The day I bought it, I searched the web to see what all I ended up getting and found out that I most likely over paid. I am content with that as I feel the stories he told me about the gun as well as saving it from being destroyed could save a bit of history. I am young and intend to hold onto this until I am able to pass it on to my 6 month old daughter when she is of age. I will post pictures of both guns he was selling but I did only manage to get the krag. Please give me any info on the krag that you guys know, as I am still discovering what I bought. Once the family wakes up, I'll take better pictures and post here, please let me know any specific pictures that are needed. I did get 2 boxes of ammo for it, the gun was stated to be safe to fire, and it does cycle and function properly without actually shooting it. Thank you guys for having a great resource of information, and I look forward to the comments.
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Whig
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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Welcome to KCA. Thanks for trusting us to help you understand what you bought. Unfortunately, you got a "sporterized" Krag, meaning it has been permanently altered from its original military configuration and has no collector's value left. Without seeing the front of the rifle, the value is low, around $300-350. The receiver has been drilled and tapped to mount a scope, the hand guard is missing, the rear sight appears to be missing and the stock has been cut down from a rifle stock.

The good news is that it still may be a good shooting Krag. Many Krags, even with pitting in the barrel, can still shoot well and accurately. Many gun smiths don't really know much about Krags and, if this was examined by a gun smith and priced at $650, it was bad advice.

But, enjoy it and you got ammunition which hopefully is good to shoot. Any factory made ammunition should be OK to shoot thru a good condition Krag. Older .30-40 Krag ammo might not be safe to shoot and please don't trust this ammo if they are reloads! Show pictures of the front of the rifle barrel and the ammunition and we'll give you some more info.

Welcome again!

Addendum: The sling and the adjustable rear sight are worth a little money and add to the value of what you got overall.

Y2K-WS.6
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

Post by Y2K-WS.6 »

It looks like your reciever is drilled and tapped for a Weaver #2 side mount. They are still available and will give you the ability to mount a scope again should you desire. I have to admidt it has a very attractive piece of wood on it even though it has been demilitarized.

On a side note, as the father of 2 daughters and hard as I tried I could not pass my love of firearms and shooting on to my girls. One daughter married a very metropolitian young man and as nice as he is there's no desire for a shooting lesson there. However my youngest is engaged to a young man who is nearly a carbon copy of me. Loves hunting fishing and all things milsurp. In this I know that I have someone to leave my collection to.

Jarhizzy
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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I appreciate all the info so far and the pictures do not do justice of how nice of a condition everything is in. Mom and I both enjoy the outdoors, hunting and fishing so I hope our little one will capture some of these hobby's. A very close friend of mines father past away due to covid and was an avid gun collect and reloader who sold me a special piece. My little one already has a .257 Robert's waiting for her to go hunting with dad and mom in the safe. I also have picked up reloading a few years ago so any information reguarding that would be be help full but I will be sure to search that section of the fourms. Below are some much better pictures of the gun and all it has to offer. The rifling looks healthy to my eyes, but do have some bluish power starting on them. Rifle has not be shot in over 20 years I've been told.
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Jarhizzy
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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More picture. I would also love to find the more original sights to place back on this rifle. Not to increase it's value by any means but to enjoy the history this rifle has. Not sure if that is an option or not. I appreciate all/any feedback. Thank you guys for your time and I look forward to learning.
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waterman
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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A question for those who know more than I do: By the serial number on the action, is this an antique? If so, it should enhance the value a bit, or maybe more than a bit, depending on a person's point of view.

My tuppence worth says that appears to be a better job than some. The front ramp looks to be a nice one. If it were mine, I would search for the proper scope mount and put a vintage scope on the rifle. I've never had a Krag with a scope. Do they eject straight up?

It's not necessary to shoot full power hunting loads. The old loading manuals have lots of suggestions for lighter loads. Phil Sharpe's 1937 "Complete Guide to Handloading" is available on line, at least as a PDF.

Whig
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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Waterman, the serial number of this Krag rifle, 120746, shows that it was made at Springfield Armory around August 1898. The Feds consider any Krag under serial number 152671 as being antique. Antique, by definition for firearms, is that any firearm made on January 1, 1899 or later is a deadly weapon that must be registered with the Feds.

Be aware, though, that some dealers or sellers will want to have all firearms, whether they are "antique" or not, registered and require a 4473 form be completed. This, again, is not necessary and a personal decision on that dealer's part alone. I would go elsewhere if put in this position. An antique firearm that does not need registration through the FFL is an advantage but, it really depends on what it is, and condition, as to whether or not it adds much to the value. To each his own.

But, good question to discuss and review regarding antique firearms!

Also, the extractor of the Krag bolt is on the top of the bolt and does pop the spent brass mostly straight upward with a slight bias to the right as the action of the bolt rotates and ejects the round. Watch some youtube videos of people shooting Krags and see how this works. Many Krags that are drilled and tapped for a side scope mount will have the scope slightly offset to the left to avoid the ejected brass from hitting the scope.

Jarhizzy
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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Any suggestions on a scope/mount setup that would do this rifle justice? Whig I also appreciate all the very educational information as I continue to learn each time you speak. Seems I have learned this rifle is a year older than I expect, kinda cool. I was given 2 boxes of ammo. One was priced at 20 rounds for 14.95. It is Remington 180 grain. 2 bullets were shot, brass was kept and all others are factory loaded. The other is a much newer hornady, 180 grain for 40$ for 20 rounds. Im unsure what is original on this rifle and what is not. I posted pictures of the tape, is it all truly cut down on both ends? Thank you again.

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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

Post by butlersrangers »

'Jarhizzy', Welcome to the KCA Forum.

Because of its near 'straight-up' ejection, the U.S. Krag benefits from a scope that is offset slightly to the left.
'Jarhizzy' owns a Krag that appears 'drilled & tapped' for the Weaver #2 adapter and side-mount.

The #2 adapter-block shows up often on eBay (new) and costs about $10 to $15, with screws.
A number of Weaver side-mounts (3/4" and 1-inch) can be found 'used' on the internet, that will attach to the #2 block.
These are very old-school rugged mounts. The main drawback to them is that the scope position interferes with using the standard safety.
There is a Buehler modified safety-lever, that will solve this issue.

Since, I just use my scoped Krag at the Range, the 'safety interference' is not an issue.
To get a good 'cheek-weld' with the stock, I use a 'slip-on' or 'strap-on' cheek-piece.

The barrel has been cut-down. Regular Krag rifle barrels were 30 inches and carbine barrels were 22 inches long.
The stock has been shortened fore and aft.

The Williams receiver sight and commercial front-ramp will allow some fine shooting at the Range.
IMO - Just putting on a #2 Weaver 'block' will hide the scope holes and improve appearance.
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waterman
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Re: New here, new to Krags, but love the history!

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To me, it is a hunting rifle, cut down on both ends. Too much has been altered to ever restore it to a military state. If you seek a military Krag, keep looking. You will find an acceptable and affordable one.

But it is a very serviceable rifle, with decent hunting-type sights, far better for that than any "proper" military sights. If it were my rifle, I would seek a proper scope and side mount. Both exist and may not be difficult to find.

I bought a cut-down 1896 Krag in 1962, then bought a Lyman tong tool with #310 dies, some basic reloading stuff, a lead pot and 2 bullet moulds (311284 and 311403), and a bunch of ammo. The only thing I've added is an old C-press and a set of good quality .30/40 dies. All that stuff still works. There is a lot of history that you can play with.

The .22 rifle in the set with your original photos looks to be a Marlin, probably an 1891. Worth more than the Krag. It ain't a micro-groove.

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