If anyone has more info on this serial number I'd gladly appreciate info on it, also how can you tell if your krag has taken part in the Spanish-American war?
1896 Krag steal?
1896 Krag steal?
During this whole pandemic I decided to take a trip to my local gun store. There I found a "1898" krag in original full military condition, it even came with the original cleaning kit, I was in love, I always wanted one and jumped at the opportunity to buy it. The store was asking $899 and after an hour of background checks and paperwork (thanks Massachusetts) I returned home with my krag. Once I got home I did some researching and stumbled upon this website. Keen to find out more about my krag i checked the serial number and found it grouped in with alot of 1896 krags.....wierd. so I go back to the gun and upon closer inspection see that the stamped model wasn't 1898 but actually 1896. The serial number is 85723 with the original 1896 rear sites. The gun has not been refinished either. Is $899 a good deal for a model 1896?
If anyone has more info on this serial number I'd gladly appreciate info on it, also how can you tell if your krag has taken part in the Spanish-American war?
If anyone has more info on this serial number I'd gladly appreciate info on it, also how can you tell if your krag has taken part in the Spanish-American war?
Re: 1896 Krag steal?
Nick,
Welcome to KCA! We love Krags and love helping others learn about them.
Your Krag serial number 85723 was made around November 1897. The Krags are known to have deep stamped "6"s look like "8"s and "3"s often look like "8"s.
Sounds like you may have gotten a great deal!! If the Krag is indeed in full military condition with the cleaning kit, you may have a treasure that is worth more than you paid.
I love the Model 1896 Krags. There were many more later production Model 1898 Krags built and fewer of the Model 1896s have survived in original condition. Many have been altered in different ways.
Please post pictures of the Krag and tell us more about it so we can drool and help figure out more details on what you've bought.
Welcome!
Welcome to KCA! We love Krags and love helping others learn about them.
Your Krag serial number 85723 was made around November 1897. The Krags are known to have deep stamped "6"s look like "8"s and "3"s often look like "8"s.
Sounds like you may have gotten a great deal!! If the Krag is indeed in full military condition with the cleaning kit, you may have a treasure that is worth more than you paid.
I love the Model 1896 Krags. There were many more later production Model 1898 Krags built and fewer of the Model 1896s have survived in original condition. Many have been altered in different ways.
Please post pictures of the Krag and tell us more about it so we can drool and help figure out more details on what you've bought.
Welcome!
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butlersrangers
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Re: 1896 Krag steal?
'Nick787' - Welcome to the KCA Forum. It sounds like you did well!
Due to the deep numerals, U.S. model 1896 Krags are often misidentified as model 1898.
Your Krag, #85723, was built around November to December, 1897, by Bill Mook's calculations and around February, 1898, in Joe Poyer's tables.
Since it was built near the date when the U.S.S. Maine sunk, it is most likely that it saw use during the Spanish War or the Philippine Insurrection.
You serial number does not appear in Springfield Research Service Data (SRS).
Its immediate neighbor, Model 1896 rifle #85722, was given back to the Government by a civilian, on 05/01/1943, during a WW II donation drive, and went to the U.S.N.
(BTW - Only a small percentage of U.S. Krags are documented by serial number in Government records).
Nice clear closeup pictures of your Krag would be enjoyed by many.
Due to the deep numerals, U.S. model 1896 Krags are often misidentified as model 1898.
Your Krag, #85723, was built around November to December, 1897, by Bill Mook's calculations and around February, 1898, in Joe Poyer's tables.
Since it was built near the date when the U.S.S. Maine sunk, it is most likely that it saw use during the Spanish War or the Philippine Insurrection.
You serial number does not appear in Springfield Research Service Data (SRS).
Its immediate neighbor, Model 1896 rifle #85722, was given back to the Government by a civilian, on 05/01/1943, during a WW II donation drive, and went to the U.S.N.
(BTW - Only a small percentage of U.S. Krags are documented by serial number in Government records).
Nice clear closeup pictures of your Krag would be enjoyed by many.
Re: 1896 Krag steal?
For that serial number range, you got a good deal! Love to see pictures. :)
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Mark_Daiute
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Re: 1896 Krag steal?
this is a truly beautiful rifle I would love to own. How is the bore and does it have a circled P behind the trigger guard and a cartouche on the left side of the stock?
Is it the light or is it nickled or chromed?
Congrats.
Is it the light or is it nickled or chromed?
Congrats.
Re: 1896 Krag steal?
Beautiful Rifle, Thank you for the pictures!! :)
Re: 1896 Krag steal?
this is a truly beautiful rifle I would love to own. How is the bore and does it have a circled P behind the trigger guard and a cartouche on the left side of the stock?
Is it the light or is it nickled or chromed?
Congrats.
I'm relatively new with guns (this is my second buy ever) the bore seems good to me though. Is there a way to tell the condition of it without looking straight down the barrel? The rifle was spot on at 100 yards with my best 5 shots getting a 6" grouping with original iron sights and no bench rest. So I have to assume the rifling is somewhat good. There is a circled P under the trigger, what does that mean? The Cartouche is missing from the side of the gun. Perhaps I was wrong about the stock not being refinished :-/
Also the light makes it seem brighter than it actually is. No chrome or nickel finish that I can tell.
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butlersrangers
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Re: 1896 Krag steal?
Most U.S. Krag rifles and carbines were rebuilt/refurbished during the course of their service. This work was done at Springfield Armory, U.S. Arsenals and Depots.
During reconditioning work, wood and metal parts were skillfully refinished as needed and reused. Some parts were updated/replaced.
There were also new replacement stocks available.
Since disassembly was necessary to process and refinish parts, a rebuilt Krag would be a new combination of parts.
When a Krag was inspected and refurbished at Springfield Armory, at an arsenal, or depot, it is believed it was function tested and test fired. A circled "P" was stamped on the stock, behind the trigger-guard. (If a stock was being re-used, it may have multiple circled "P" stamps).
From my understanding: No 'acceptance cartouche' was needed on a replacement stock, since the Krag had already been accepted previously.
(A Krag that received a new replacement stock in the 'field' will not have a 'cartouche' or circle "P" mark).
Krags continued in the hands of many U.S. military units until 1907-1908.
The U.S. Military Academies and National Guard units had Krags until 1914.
Krags were used as training rifles and by U.S. Engineers during WW1.
The U.S. Navy had Krags aboard some ships, maybe going into WW2.
Nick: FWIW - Your Krag may have been reconditioned at some time. The presence of 1896 front and rear sights suggest this happened early, rather than during later rebuilds.
During reconditioning work, wood and metal parts were skillfully refinished as needed and reused. Some parts were updated/replaced.
There were also new replacement stocks available.
Since disassembly was necessary to process and refinish parts, a rebuilt Krag would be a new combination of parts.
When a Krag was inspected and refurbished at Springfield Armory, at an arsenal, or depot, it is believed it was function tested and test fired. A circled "P" was stamped on the stock, behind the trigger-guard. (If a stock was being re-used, it may have multiple circled "P" stamps).
From my understanding: No 'acceptance cartouche' was needed on a replacement stock, since the Krag had already been accepted previously.
(A Krag that received a new replacement stock in the 'field' will not have a 'cartouche' or circle "P" mark).
Krags continued in the hands of many U.S. military units until 1907-1908.
The U.S. Military Academies and National Guard units had Krags until 1914.
Krags were used as training rifles and by U.S. Engineers during WW1.
The U.S. Navy had Krags aboard some ships, maybe going into WW2.
Nick: FWIW - Your Krag may have been reconditioned at some time. The presence of 1896 front and rear sights suggest this happened early, rather than during later rebuilds.
Re: 1896 Krag steal?
Nice M1896, great price.
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Mark_Daiute
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Re: 1896 Krag steal?
Nick787! Meaning no disrespect, and I ask this because of your comment about looking down the bore: do you know the trick for removing the bolt? If someone did not tell or show you how you could spend a long time when it is deceptively simple! If you don't know how just sing out and the you can look down the bore from the breach!